rhymo- to get the behind the back butterfly waist srap I found it easier to try to do a thread while in overhand underhand versions of the wall plane waist wrap then slowly taking that understanding and transfering it to wheel planes.....I dunno, does that help?

My #1 advice when having difficulty learning ANY move is to break it all down and start over with the most simple mechanics. First *one hand at a time* and then *both hands joined together* before you move to *each hand doing the separate movements simultaneously*.

>>Rhymo wrote: "I'd apply the great advice that Vatra gave about the BTB weave, but you can't really use that method if the poi are spinning in different directions, unless I'm missing something, please share!"<<

True, not while they're spinning in opposite directions, but you can do the movement one arm at a time. After that feels smooth, you can do the same movement with both hands joined together BTB. When this feels smooth in each direction and on each side, then both arms will have the muscle memory in each direction & side, especially because of the added difficulty of practicing with both hands joined BTB. When you master ALL of these separate components then the muscle memory will be engrained, providing you with the necessary plane control to avoid your butt / ankles and the ability to concentrate on the technical (butterfly) mechanics of the move.

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